wenc
One of the concerns I had when I did 23andMe many years ago was that someone in the future would be able to recreate me Jurassic-Park-style. Now I'm not an expert, but based on my reading of how they collect data, turns out 23andMe doesn't actually have my DNA sequence data.

They do what is called "genotyping"[1] which is much cheaper than full "sequencing" [2], but which only probes for a limited set of known variants. So it's only partial information.

Since then 23andMe has launched a more expensive 23andMe+ Total Health offering, which does full sequencing, but like most people, I never subscribed to that package. In fact I had no occasion to interact with the company after the first result, which may be why they are struggling financially.

DNA testing is something most people might do at most once in their lives -- then they lose interest.

[1] https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/202904610... [2] https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/202904600...

carimura
What options do we have to delete our data? Anyone looked in detail?

[edit]

From their website:

   Data retention
   23andMe will retain some information to comply with legal 
   obligations, including your DNA, sex, and date of birth
So apparently you can permanently delete your data, except for, oh just your DNA....

[edit 2]

From NYT (https://archive.is/ynvDR)

   However, 23andMe uses a laboratory that must follow 
   regulations under the Clinical Laboratory Improvement 
   Amendments, or CLIA. This means that some data, including 
   your DNA, sex and date of birth will be retained in order 
   to comply with these regulations. The company will no 
   longer use that information, though. You can read more 
   about the company’s deletion processhere.
zero-sharp
Gattaca here we come. Can't wait until I start getting denied for service/opportunity X because some computer somewhere used DNA from a distant relative to determine I'm a risk.
ZitchDog
It's not just people who gave them data who should be worried. If a close relative gave their info to 23andme, they probably have enough data to associate your DNA with that relative. For instance my mom did 23andme and now 50% of my DNA is in this private commercial database without my consent and this data is completely unencumbered by HIPAA privacy restrictions.
cebert
We need more legislation and legal protections in this area.
accrual
I checked the "destroy my sample after analysis" checkbox. So the analysis is there but not the actual sample. Maybe this is somewhat better?
cmsonger
Paid them for a sample kit. Never used it after I carefully read the ToS and thought about what might happen.
steelframe
The article makes a point that 23andMe isn't bound by HIPAA, but even if it were, I wouldn't consider that adequate. The bar for collecting and holding PII, particularly medical, needs to be much, much higher than it is today.

A doctor I recently visited whipped out his iPhone and asked if I was okay with him recording our conversation so that some fly-by-night rando AI company could vacuum up our private conversation and spit out some LLM-generated summary of our visit. "Not to worry," he insisted, "they're HIPAA compliant!"

I probably should have walked out of the office right then and there, but instead I simply told him no, not under any circumstances may he record our private conversation and send it off to some third party over the Internet. He seemed a bit taken aback because I guess I am the only patient he's had push back on it. He tried saying that the service "really helped him" or something like that. It seemed like he was trying to make me feel bad for "making his job harder."

I simply replied that HIPAA compliance didn't prevent the last 5 or 6 letters I've received from both hospitals and insurance companies about "cybersecurity events" leading to the compromise of my PII. And not just any PII, mind you. It was my medical information, supposedly "protected" by HIPAA. These were major insurance companies and hospitals. And you want me to believe that some fly-by-night AI startup is going to somehow be a safe place for a goddamned fscking full audio recording of our private visit, just because they claim to be HIPAA compliant? Are you kidding me?

I've made it a point to start writing my representatives in government about these issues. They need to wake up and start doing something meaningful to protect the people who are being bamboozled by all the yahoos who play fast-and-loose with their privacy, especially medical PII.

avalys
What is a specific plausible scenario of something that could be done with “my DNA” that I should be concerned about here?
robertclaus
Having worked at startups, my guess is that 23andMe doesn't even have the data a malicious company would want. Best case someone will buy them with some evil plan and realize the data is useless anyways.
pluc
This is turning out to be a really bad Christmas gift.
h4ch1
Sending a private corporation your DNA is a bad idea the second you hear about it no matter what the "benefits" are. Why would people, especially those who frequent HN and are aware of the data privacy debacles throughout history even trust them with something like this?
jamescun
UK citizen and 23andMe customer here. How likely is the sale of UK/EU customer data, or is it worth submitting a GDPR deletion request anyway? Get my data deleted before it's sold.
voisin
Is there any way to use privacy laws to have 23andMe wipe your data?
dcchambers
It's hard to feel bad for people that willingly gave their DNA samples to a private company. Come on y'all, use some common sense.
bjoli
A relative id mine sent her DNA to 23andMe or something like it. I was angry then, and I still haven't forgiven her.
Mistletoe
I’m glad I at least downloaded my data so I can have it forever and upload it where I like. I don’t regret having 23andme genotype it. I knew the pros and cons when I did it and the pros outweighed the cons for me.
dangitman
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mchannon
The US Government already has my DNA. Because of 23andme, I was able to discover I had one copy of delta-32, and that’s pretty cool.

I was also able to find out where I came from and connect with distant relatives. To those who are tightly connected with their huge family, you’re privileged.

I’d be sad if this resource went away but I don’t fear it being used for nefarious purposes. I can rest assured the US government is already miles ahead toward that end.