cubefox
> Visa and its smaller rival Mastercard have surged over the past two decades, reaching a combined market cap of roughly $1 trillion.

In the US there actually exists (begins to exist) now a cheaper alternative to credit card payments: FedNow. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FedNow

It's an instantaneous bank transfer, without a credit card company in the middle extracting rents.

For dodgy/disreputable online shops, credit cards will still be better, due to the possibility of chargeback. And of course for actually buying things on credit. But for most regular cases, this shouldn't be necessary.

Systems like FedNow are already highly successful in India (UPI) and several other countries.

hnburnsy
It looks like Visa debit fees are about $0.21 + 0.05%. Compare that to cash handling...

>The idea that accepting cash is cheap is actually a myth. While some business owners might think the 3 percent fee for processing credit cards is a burden, research from IHL Group shows that cash handling costs many retailers between 4.7 and 15.3 percent. This means for every $100 sale, a business is paying between $4.70 and $15.30 just to manage their cash. And, the cost is only increasing as more businesses and consumers trend away from cash.

>Handling cash also comes with many unwanted risks. The process business owners must go through to manage cash is a clear burden. They have to account for it; count the drawer nightly and rely on employees to use the honor system when doing so; package it up and either hire a courier or send an employee to transport it to a bank; pay fees for processing and handling; and ultimately run the risk of exposing the employee, cash, and the business to liabilities that may not be recoverable.

https://www.plainscapital.com/blog/the-cost-of-accepting-cas...

mihaic
The US payments market is a symphony of abusive practices that gouge everyone. Besides Visa and Mastercard, you have the chargeback cards that basically make things cheaper for the rich. Merchants have even figured out how to get in on the action by creating non-fungible money called "gift-cards". And all that on top of random people telling stories of how their merchant account was shut down suddenly and without appeal.

But, God forbid that the government build any infrastructure for the economy's main highway, and crypto is the only alternative possible.

SpicyLemonZest
I feel like this article is leaving out the important parts. You'd think from the text that it's purely a price thing, where DOJ has some subjective idea of what a transaction ought to cost and are mad that Visa charges too much. The actual complaint and the DOJ statement on it both make it clear that the real problem is specific steps Visa has allegedly taken to stop people from competing with them.
specproc
In an increasingly cashless society, and as a European, I find it deeply troubling that it's very difficult to conduct the most basic financial transactions without a foreign (US) intermediary.
sharpshadow
In a cashless world money transfers must be fee free.

That’s also one of the main criticisms. If you pass around a 50$ bill it stays 50$. If you pass around 50$ online fees eat it up and it’s gone.

chemmail
This sounds good, but i can't help but feel is Visa is brought down, we will have a hundred hydra heads feed on us instead.
sunflowerfly
Every terminal should be required to run any legitimate card on its own network.
dotnet00
I've been waiting for this for a while, this has been pretty blatant for a while now.

Credit card processors end up having unjust influence over every business that has a significant online component, and the processors don't hold back from using that influence to force the hand of many businesses that aren't big enough to fight back. They simply threaten to block the business for having X objectionable but legal content.

Cclayt1123
It's easy to forget the long-term economic damage monopolies can cause... but hey, this might be the perfect time for the new open-source payment rails to rev up new, real competition.
jmyeet
If you ever encounter someone who says that companies can't be policed or that government is ineffective, I want you to point them to the FTC.

For context, the current chair of the FTC is Lina Khan who is only 35 years old. She became famous while a student at Yale Law School for writing Amazon's Antitrust Paradox [1], which has come to revolutionize the thinking on antitrust.

A recent example is asthma inhalers. An asthma inhaler in the US costs ~$500. In France it's $7. Now we can't just import from overseas. That's illegal (because reasons). So how are generic inhalers blocked? By tricks to extend patents. In this case, the patent holder justifies a patent extension with a small piece of plastic on the cap so you don't lose it.

That's all capitalism does: it builds enclosures, on this case on "intellectual" property and by buying the government to create a monopoly by banning imports and banning Medicare from negotiating prices.

Just the threat of FTC action and a Senate investigation has created concessions by (so far) 3 of the 4 inhaler makers agreeing to cap inhaler costs at $35. From $500. With just a threat.

Companies are so concerned about this that big donors to the Harris campaign want Lina Khan fired [2] (she is, of course, history in the event of a Trump victory in November).

This should be a lesson in both the necessity of regulation and how easy it can be if you halfway try. The idea that the government is bloated and ineffective is propaganda by those who want to poison the water supply to make a slightly higher profit.

Personally, I want the FTC to go after national ISPs.

And I fully support investigation and regulation of the Visa payment network.

[1]: https://www.yalelawjournal.org/note/amazons-antitrust-parado...

[2]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-06/kamala-ha...

killjoywashere
Uh, who do I use if not Visa (1.15 to 2.4%) or Mastercard (1.15 to 2.5%)? Square (2.6 to 2.9%)? AMEX (up to 3.3%)? Paypal (3 to 3.5%)?
beryilma
On a slight tangent, the type of transactions you can make through your banking app in a developing country like Turkey is insane compared to US.

Without exaggeration, you can make instant money transfers across banks; buy stocks, gold, insurance, bonds, foreign currency; pay taxes and other government fees; make international SWIFT transfers; open retirement accounts; buy private healthcare; instantly open as many checking, savings, CD accounts as you want; and many more.

And in the US, they try to sell Zelle as the biggest innovation in banking. It's just pathetic.

BadHumans
I think it is great that the DOJ is finally interested in breaking monopolies but unfortunately a lot of these cases are going to be pending the election. Depending on who wins there is a high chance we see all antitrust action die.

And let me be very blunt so people aren't confused, I think if Trump wins, the people he installs in the DOJ will be less than motivated in pursuing these cases.

ethbr1
It's nice to see the DOJ taking a more aggressive approach towards monopoly charges again.

~1900... ~1950... ~1980... ~2000...

About time for the wheel to turn around.

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dzonga
if 'crypto' wasn't used for scams / crime. it would have been the perfect candidate to break the Visa / Mastercard duopoly.

but alas....

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donatj
Why now is the real question?

Hasn't this basically been the state of things since the late 1990s? What changed that they're going after them now?

lend000
Reminder that Visa isn't really the problem: [0]

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/1dyb7t0/whats_going...

RecycledEle
The only thing worse than a VISA monopoly is a government monopoly.
legitster
> More than 60% of debit transactions in the U.S. run over Visa rails, helping it charge more than $7 billion annually in processing fees, according to the DOJ complaint.

60% seems pretty well short of monopoly. Also, if you factor in that cash is an option, and the significant inroads being made by options like Square and Venmo, Visa doesn't actually even have a majority in the market.

I'm skeptical of this action overall. I love competition as much as the next guy, but Visa, Mastercard, and Discover's primary value they provide is fraud detection and prevention. There are enormous economies of scale at play, and it's hard to believe that breaking up the big guys into dozens of independent, fly-by-wire cut-rate providers is in the public's best interests long term. That is, unless the federal government wants to come in and actually pursue small-time fraud.

sublinear
> More than 60% of debit transactions in the U.S. run over Visa rails, helping it charge more than $7 billion annually in processing fees, according to the DOJ complaint.

Is that really a monopoly though?

ilaksh
I know I will get absolutely thrashed and buried for saying this on this website, but I am going to say it anyway. The starting point for any modern money system should be cryptocurrency. It should not be necessary to have a middleman at all. This will eliminate most of the types of 'fraud' where thieves or scammers charge a card in an unauthorized way, because cryptocurrency does not require giving away credentials with that capability. Instead, specific transactions are authorized. There is no such thing as giving out your whole master card number for a transaction.

If you want to add middlemen as companies built on the cryptocurrency, you can and for some things they might be useful. But you absolutely should not need them by default in the contemporary era where we have cryptography and the internet.