wwarner
In 1676 Roemer estimated the speed of light by timing the orbit of Jupiter’s moon Io, noting that as the Earth approached Jupiter, Io emerged from behind Jupiter a little earlier every day, and as the Earth traveled away from Jupiter it appeared a little later every day, with the time of day varying by 22 minutes over a year. Knowing the difference between the two distances, he reckoned that light travels that distance in 22 minutes, or 227 thousand km/s. The actual speed is about 300 thousand km/s. Not bad!
Terr_
That reminds me of the Millikan & Fletcher oil-drop experiment [0], which measured the charge of the electron.

In short, microscopic atomized oil droplets had their fall-time through air measured to figure out their volume, and then a known electric field was used to levitate them. The calculated charge-per-molecule clustered around multiples of a smaller value, which would be the charge of an individual electron.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_drop_experiment

hn_throwaway_99
I love articles like this. I feel like too often in science education (at least my science education) that laws and theories are presented as just something that you need to memorize, when in my opinion the stories of how things were originally discovered and figured out is eminently more fascinating and inspiring. Like I remember having to learn all of these biochemical pathways, but I left school with nary a clue as to how these pathways were uncovered in the first place.

Thanks for submitting! Would welcome suggestions for any other publications on how scientific theories were first discovered.

thimkerbell
"Rayleigh divided the volume of the oil by the area it covered, thus estimating the thickness of the oil film. Assuming that the oil formed a single layer of molecules — a monolayer — then the thickness of the oil film is the same thing as the length of one oil molecule.

This is how Lord Rayleigh became the first person to figure out a single molecule’s dimensions, many years before anyone could see such molecules."

rkagerer
This is fascinating, but wasn't it still a bit of a conjecture to assume the oil would spread to a minimum thickness of one molecule? Did he have any doubts, like that surface tension might keep it thicker? Or other clues hinting it was indeed a monolayer?
bqmjjx0kac
> Assuming that the oil formed a single layer of molecules — a monolayer — then the thickness of the oil film is the same thing as the length of one oil molecule.

How did he know that the film of oil was one molecule thick?

It feels like a huge assumption to me, but maybe this blog post left something out.

adrian_b
The title of this thread appears to be wrong, because the parent article says

"But a little experiment that Rayleigh performed in 1890, inspired directly by Franklin's observations, is not nearly as well-known."

Therefore Rayleigh computed the size of molecules in 1890, not in 1870 (in 1870 Rayleigh was young and not known yet for any original research).

While Rayleigh has devised a novel method for determining the size of molecules, it should be noted that the first who has succeeded to determine the size and weight of molecules was Johann Josef Loschmidt, in 1865.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Josef_Loschmidt

The publication of the weight and size of air molecules by Loschmidt is one of the most important milestones in the history of physics.

Until that moment in 1865, the theory of atoms revived by Dalton could still be considered as some kind of fictitious model that explained some features of the chemical reactions and of thermodynamics, but which might have been wrong and which would probably be replaced by some better model.

Starting from that moment, the atoms and molecules could be weighed and counted, so their reality was no longer questioned.

The determination by Loschmidt of the size and weight of air molecules was enough to determine the sizes and weights of any other known atoms and molecules, making use of the relative atomic weights that could be determined from chemical reactions and which were already known.

Moreover, a few years later, in 1874, George Johnstone Stoney has used the results of Loschmidt together with the theory of the existence of an elementary electric charge published by Maxwell one year before, in 1873, to compute the value of the elementary electric charge. Some years later, Stoney has given the name "electron" to the elementary electric charge, which has been the source of a very large number of words in modern science and technology, from electronics to hadrons.

bangonkeyboard
I would have loved to have had a course in school about "The Design of Scientific Experiments." One that described the processes of landmark historical experiments from antiquity onward, and challenged students throughout: "Given this set of constraints, how would you design and execute an experiment to estimate the size of the Earth? Disprove phlogiston and luminiferous aether? Measure the speed of light?"
CountHackulus
We recreated this experiment in one of my university physics classes. It was a lot of work, and our results weren't nearly as good, but it was instructive and interesting. The equipment requirements were completely reasonable for an undergrad physics lab. I highly recommend giving it a try if you can.
tony-allan
https://www.atomsonly.news/p/franklin-oil

Why this domain has been suspended

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FredPret
Very cool.

For more like this, check out this lecture series: https://www.thegreatcoursesplus.com/the-evidence-for-modern-...

It's by a guy called Don Lincoln and it's about how we established things like the existence of atoms, the speed of light, and many other fundamental things that are good to know.

It's also an audiobook, though the lectures are easier to follow.

IncreasePosts
A few days ago, there was a HN post about surface acoustic wave filters, and a commenter mentions how inspired the inventor of it must have been(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41604937).

That was this same fella!

ForOldHack
He had time to think. Something so rare these days.

30 years later, Henry Cavendish measured G and estimated the density of the earth. Using candles, mirrors and telescopes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

OvbiousError
Cool article. They somehow got the formula wrong though, the formula on the screenshot has an additional factor of 0.9 that accounts for the fact that 1l of oil is not 1 kg. Perhaps it's intentional, but for something so simple I don't think it needs to be dumbed down even further.
dilawar
I went to a talk by a very old physicist. At the end of his talk, he said, recalling from memory, all of the great experiments of the past were done by nothing. If an experiment costs more than $100, I am out.

His setup has mud in a jar and bacteria in it which you can see with a simple microscope or handheld lens.

arvindh-manian
Related: Agnes Pockels’ experiments [0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_Pockels

jll29
Thanks for covering that story - I lived at Clapham Common for seven happy years.

So much history: there is also a little church on the Common, whose past members played a role in the abolishion of slavery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Sect

alnwlsn
These are the best kind of posts, where there's something I've never even heard of before. I never knew 'oiling the seas' was a thing, or that it (apparently?) works.
xenocratus
Luckily it wasn't my grade that got this experiment as the practical exam in one of the National Physics Olympiads I went to... :) poor souls, most got answers orders of magnitude away.
rkagerer
Fun fact: Every 4 days humanity produces enough oil to cover the entirety of the world's oceans.

Source: Public statistics and my back-of-napkin math, not accounting for waves.

nes350
https://archive.is/oMgPW (The domain of the original article seems to be dead)
Summerbud
> I love this story because it shows, at least anecdotally, how deep scientific insights can emerge from the simplest of experiments. It's a testament to the idea that you don't always need sophisticated equipment to unlock the secrets of nature — sometimes, all it takes is a drop of oil and a bit of ingenuity.

This can apply to many other fields too!

quantadev
The credit for proving the existence of atoms is more often associated with Einstein's explanation of Brownian motion and Jean Perrin's experimental confirmation, even though earlier work by Lord Rayleigh, Benjamin Franklin, and others hinted at the molecular structure of matter.
kitd
> and he charted the Gulf Stream’s course across the Atlantic ocean, noting that ships traveling from America to England took longer than those going the opposite direction

?? Has the Gulfstream changed direction in the intervening years?

cwillu
Site has gone down with a dns error of some kind; anyone have a snapshot?
cchi_co
Even back in the day, without all our modern technology, great minds like Franklin and Rayleigh could uncover truths that still resonate today.
nick238
The page is timing out for me, but is it the inverse problem of the time when Steve Mould/Matt Parker measured the unknown quantity π, but already assuming a size of the molecules? Presumably Lord Rayleigh already had a at least a good order-of-magnitude approximation of pi...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmgCgzjlWO4

dr_dshiv
I won’t trust this until I myself can calm an acre of water with a teaspoon of oil. (Or at least see a YouTube video of someone doing it)
pechay
We did this same experiment in school, with a tiny pinprick of oil, estimating the volume of the drop as a sphere, and a small water tank, and then estimated the area of oil slick as a circle.
RachelF
Semi off topic:

Interesting to look at picture of the text of the 1890 paper. That typesetting is almost the same as modern scientific papers.

Maybe Rayleigh had an early copy of LaTeX? ;-)

kopirgan
Very interesting indeed!

Was he just lucky that the spread was 1 molecule thick or that's the way oil spreads on water? Why?

metadat
How is the measurement for the area the oil has spread over performed? Visually or some other way?
rendall
We performed this experiment in high school chemistry and it has remained with me as one of my deepest aha moments.

It has become fashionable in foodie circles to mock the idea of adding oil to boiling pasta so as to prevent stickiness. The argument against seems to be that oil floats and cannot possibly affect the pasta, unless you add so much that the pasta becomes slimy. But I maintain that a drop of two in boiling water is enough to coat all the pasta in a single layer of molecules. The agitation of the water spreads the oil evenly as a kind of colloidal suspension.

All these fancy restaurants with elaborate methods to avoid sticky pasta.

yapyap
wow, he really had some knowledge for a lord
ziofill
>"not more than a Tea Spoonful," according to his diary — Franklin poured it onto the agitated water. The oil spread rapidly across the surface, covering "perhaps half an Acre" of the pond and rendering its waters "as smooth as a Looking Glass."

What??

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