advael
I am fairly convinced that this comment section is among the best demonstrations for "isolated demands for rigor" I have personally ever seen, especially paired with any comment section about an AI-related article

When we are trying to predict the implications of unproven technologies on complex worldwide economies, there is talk of "obvious inevitability"

When we express concerns that chemicals humanity recently started coating the entire planet with at an alarming rate seem to get really deep into every kind of living tissue and nearly everything else we've ever seen bioaccumulate like that has caused a lot of unforeseen issues that took a long time to suss out but most turn out to be at least somewhat harmful, there's all this "well we don't have longitudinal RCTs with enormous sample sizes showing the specific harms of every specific plastic published in prestigious journals yet so who knows really"

cube2222
Does someone have good papers on the negative effects of microplastics (ideally on humans)?

A while back I tried to look for those, and it was nontrivial to find papers that would conclusively show that they are harmful, and the mechanisms of this harmfulness.

There's a ton of press about where they are (everywhere) but (as a layman) you could argue it's because they're not very reactive, and this lack of reactivity could mean they're not actually that harmful, and are just there.

Take TFA as an example. Based on the abstract it shows that microplastics are there, but concludes with "highlighting the need for further research on their neurotoxic effects and implications for human health".

Now of course doing good studies about this is extremely hard, as it's hard to find subjects untouched by microplastics for control groups, but I hope someone here can provide me with some good sources on this.

To be clear, I'm not trying to deny the harmfulness here, I'm just looking for good related content.

seper8
People, get air filters inside of your house and especially your bedroom. Anything with a HEPA filter. I personally have a Winix and a dyson fan, quite happy with it.

You'll be surprised what it picks up over time, and consequently what you end up not inhaling...

ushiroda80
Plastics need be banned from clothing and food.
gravitronic
Starting to eye my dryer lint as a toxic substance
lumost
Curious what other items end up there. E.g. particulate dust, dirt, minerals etc.

It’s a more interesting result if plastics are unique in ending up here.

aggie
Microplastics seem bad. The evidence of adverse effects seems marginal. But in the bigger picture, plastics provide enormous wealth to the world. We should look for ways to mitigate any adverse environmental effects, of course, but it's not at all obvious to me that the ROI of doing so in my personal life is positive.
userbinator
The predominant shapes were particles and fibers, with polypropylene being the most common polymer.

No doubt these are almost entirely due to synthetic fibres in clothing and other textiles, which have been around for more than half a century now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olefin_fiber

Note that natural fibres aren't great either if you inhale enough of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byssinosis

The amount of pseudoscience and illogicity around microplastics is staggering. Consider those advocating for banning traditional blown-film plastic bags and replacing them with ones which are woven or non-woven fibre... the majority of which will also be made from plastic, but will emit loose fibres far more easily. Go after the textile industry if you really want to reduce microplastics, as that's where the majority of them come from. Of course this is assuming there is any clear evidence of harm, which is far from conclusive.

ClumsyPilot
What the plan to deal with this? People make fun of doomers, but this unfixable.

PS: originally this said boomers, but I meant Doomers, as I. People who run around screaming the world is doomed

jongjong
I blame our debt-based system for fueling globalization at a rapid speed and for shifting the focus too much towards low-costs and mass production.

When consumers are in debt and deprived of surplus income, they are forced to ignore their ethical concerns and go for the cheapest of the cheap, which is usually bad for the environment.

Had we had a more decentralized system, with less severe inequality, I tend to think that we would be using a far more heterogeneous set of materials in manufacturing. There would be less focus on minimizing costs, leaving more room for ethics and thus we wouldn't end up with massive global problems like this.

It's weird how plastic in its current form has been around and sold in such massive qualities for such a long time. It makes it look as though there is absolutely no room for innovation. But history tells us there is always room for innovation. Capitalism has been good at finding creative paths (plural). The tech monoculture we have today seems unnatural. Likely propped up by our debt-based monetary system which allows infinite compounding of wealth which leads to unsurmountable artificial centralization. It manufactures inequality, homogeneity and groupthink.

Capitalism should be a hydra, but the monetary system has turned it into a one-headed dragon with a single mighty but aging head.

KeyFlower
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