janalsncm
I think very relevant is this broader analysis:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41562321

YC isn’t to blame here. It’s a microcosm of the incentives that have been set up. Unfortunately most of the game-changing tech isn’t going to be low capex moving forward. We are moving past the “Airbnb for dogs” era and into the “build a better quantum computer” era.

dools
I think it's actually predicated more on hiring the type of people that will be easily parachuted into FAANG companies through acquihires. I had long conceived of YC as basically a glorified recruitment channel for FAANG but when YC said they'll accept founders without an idea it cemented this view for me.

That they get lucky with a handful of companies as well is a nice to have but liquidity events provided by acqui-hires can't be ignored as their bread n butter surely.

minimaxir
From their Twitter writing style, I can tell YC founders prefer low capitalization.
tptacek
I don't understand the premise of this claim. YC has never really been about getting companies to growth stage. It doesn't make sense to compare YC's investment to the funding needed to, say, compete with OpenAI. If that's what you're trying to do, you'd go to YC to streamline the process of closing a priced round.

The way this thread reads, he's not so much taking issue with YC as with the idea of seed capital. Some of us have the experience of operating in a startup marketplace without routine, standardized seed funding. That's how funding worked in the 1990s and early 2000s. It's not great!

beaglesss
Agreed, The low hanging fruit has been grabbed.

The remainder is mostly gonna be regulatory arbitrage or low margin niche fields that a large company can't exploit.

The neighborhood liquor store, or the grey market handyman. That's the remaining low cap fronts.

ezxs
Technology goes in waves, when a large breakthrough in technology then opens up an opportunity for a lot of small applications of that technology. I wrote some thoughts on Web 2.0 / SaaS startup wave: https://mikebz.com/tech-startups-and-railroad-tracks-d1d5948...

The Mobile wave and SaaS wave are gone, it's possible that AI will open up a lot of small applications or AI Bot economy, but we will see.

The low capitalization means that you are mostly writing gluecode and winning on UX, not really doing breakthrough technology innovation that has no revenue for 5-7 years.

mrkramer
In the early days you needed only 2 or 3 programmers to get your site going and a cheap server to host it and if the website and its concept caught on you raised money to buy more servers and hire more people(the most famous example being Facebook). Nowadays you need to have a really good prototype and if you want to do something really amazing you probably need a lot of computational power in order to expand it and scale it. Also the complexity of software development is greater. In reality Moore's law made computational power more cheaper so actually it shouldn't be really a problem but startups overall burn a lot of money on computational power(hosting, bandwidth etc.)

Back on the early days; YouTube co-founder Jawed Karim said in 2006 [0] that perhaps any CS undergrad could've coded any of the internet's early killer apps in a few weeks but the scaling them would be whole another problem, scaling in this context meaning acquiring users.

My opinion is that you can still spin an amazing website relatively fast but then you need to improve UX, create your mobile presence(make mobile apps) etc. etc. Whole lot more hassle than it was in the early days when mobile phone internet and mobile apps were irrelevant.

Good example is also Instagram which was natively and exclusively mobile app which allowed them to improve their product faster and scale the app faster.

[0] https://youtu.be/XAJEXUNmP5M?t=613

chambers
I wonder if the author's observation has something to do with the tension between Research and Development, ala R&D. YCombinator seemed effective in funding the latter, but the first half seem to be higher risk, more expensive, and much longer to market (if at all).

Is my impression correct? I recall YC Research was pitched a few years ago but I think it politely imploded into a small nonprofit.

nsedlet
It takes time to build a company to significant revenue. I'd be curious to rule that out as the primary explanation before reading too much else into this.
eyphka
Simple reason for bad 10 years - pg stepped away from day to day 2014
JumpCrisscross
> Post 2015 that “tech seed corn” had been used up, leaving just difficult deep tech startups around that need very high capitalization and a focus on developing hard, risky technology

Let's ignore LLMs, where tens of billions of dollars are being competitively poured into models and platforms on top of which presumably value can be built and focus on their secondary effects. Ever-more powerful GPUs being pushed out to the periphery, upgrading the parallel-processing power of every phone, laptop and server. Semiconductor manufacturing building hundreds of billions of dollars worth of de novo fabrication capacity. And I'm not even touching the platform advances in space travel and bioengineering we're in the midst of.

If you're looking to build the next website or iPhone app, yes, the ship has sailed. The rinse-and-repeat "put a subscrpition on it" playbook has played out. But I can't say history has had this much variety in scalable tinkering territory before.

benoau
Of course it is, the whole thing with the internet is a small group of people can reach a disproportionately massive number of people who can pay with their money or data. Startups with massive upfront costs that can also achieve that are increasing the risk not the upside.
fra
That idea that only deep tech opportunities are left is false and IMO completely undermines the OP.

Our batch (W19) has produced several great software companies that are growing incredibly fast, you just haven't heard of them ... yet!

breck
Comparing 15 year old companies to 5 year old companies is Apples to Oranges. Compounding makes that sort of meaningless.

But if we wanted to offer constructive criticism to YC, mine would be:

1. Stop downplaying the importance of craftsmanship.

2. Stop downplaying the contributions of batchmates and overplaying the impact of YC partners/office hours.

3. Stop mooching off public domain without contributing much back.

4. Learn to understand the speed benefits of public domain development/build in public.

5. Stop it with the secrecy; an outdated model. Speed >> secrecy.

6. Stop the censorship!

Or in humorous form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpuVyEbqbgU

enslavedrobot
If you're a deeptech founder Y Combinator is not for you.

Recommend something like an NSF Activate grant instead. Commercialization of hardware takes an average of 15 years. If you can't get dilution free funding for the first 5 or so, you'll end up giving up so much equity that you'll be an employee of your own company.

Most successful hardware founders have deep pockets or huge grant supports.

7e
Of course this is true, YC is a sweatshop explotation model which works on finding winning lottery tickets through a "million monkeys" method. They can't afford to give anyone much money, they spread their bets thin. That's why they fund anyone with a pulse, and most of these founders will end up trashing their careers on failure.
keepamovin
But what about the compact nuclear reactors startup?
jsyang00
Most companies which required billions in startup capital were engineered out of larger established organizations. Or they evolve naturally - nobody set out to build any of the top 3 cloud hyperscalers as they exist today.
colechristensen
Isn’t this just an effect of high interest rates?
orasis
This is absurd. There is just as much AI low hanging fruit today as there was mobile low hanging fruit 10 years ago as there was web 10 years before that.
giansegato
I don't think there's anything about YC inherently misaligned with the next startup era — in fact, they're adapting their model accordingly, hedging their bets + investing in harder tech with higher capex and longer feedback loops. It's gonna take a while to see the new strategy play out, much longer than before in fact. That said, agreed with the general point that the model is changing and the old playbook is not working anymore. I published 5000 words last month that try to analyze this trend within an economics framework: https://giansegato.com/essays/dawn-new-startup-era
troupo
Y Combinator is predicted on two kinds of startups:

- unprofitable startups that can be sold to the highest bidder within a few years

- unprofitable startups that can be subsidized to the tune of billions of dollars a year in hopes of capturing the market through price dumping and borderline illegal practices

There are one or two that break the mould and become, you know, actual businesses.

lmeyerov
*Whoosh*

The takeaway from many folks successfully capitalizing on many tech commoditization trends isn't that old one being mined out means game over...

... but this pattern keeps happening, so go and identify the current wave and ride it

the most obvious commoditization breakthrough right now is LLMs, but there are a bunch of other 10X's happening too

yieldcrv
angel investor makes angel investments
aaron695
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