benced
A lot of people here seem justifiably angry at Boeing management's total destruction of an engineering corporate culture. It's unclear to me if fixing that is what the machinists are demanding or if they just want normal union things like being paid more and working less.

No hate if they are optimizing for that, unions don't exist to serve corporate culture. Just want to be clear-eyed about what the union is seeking and (potentially separately), what it will take to make Boeing an American great again.

iancmceachern
Any Boeing engineers who may be looking for alternate paths, please know that I've known many great aerospace engineers who have made a pivot to medical devices very successfully and many of the best medical devices to come out in recent years are due to such. It seems very different but really it's very similar.
hungie
Good. Jim McNerney absolutely shredded the culture, and eroded decades of good will. It's far past time workers for Boeing pressed for things to go back to being an engineering and manufacturing led company.

Striking is one way to get closer to that, good on them.

HeavyStorm
Am I the only one seeing a bit of naivette from the union? While I've been observing the whole Boeing debacle I don't know their financials, but I can only assume they are bad. Couldn't such a large strike take the company to the brink?

I know during turmoil you can usually negotiate better terms, but...

Havoc
Just watched a documentary on Boeing an hour ago. It’s incredible that they avoided criminal prosecution despite two planes crashing, door popping out and then paperwork somehow going AWOL. Also Boeing knew about wiring issues since 2022 and the FAA only issues an inspection order in ‘24.

Gonna try and avoid Boeings of all types going forward

zardo
The negotiating team has to be pretty out of touch with the members to reach a deal that's rejected with 96% of the vote.
danielodievich
During national neighbor night out few weeks ago I met a couple who just moved to the neighborhood, wife is a doctor and husband is a Boeing engineer in the material science something rather. Me being a huge Boeing fan we've immediately connected on the topic of Boeing's issues. His view from inside echoed mine - too many MBAs, too much focus on financial engineering and stock buybacks and shareholder returns (he was LIVID about Boeing having no cash now because they sent it back to shareholders), too little focus on engineering. I touched on the nextgen (79?7) program and he just shook his head. And the CEO based out of wherever but not Seattle is just a huge spit into everyone's face.

I don't think Boeing is going down due to it being well, Boeing, but it will likely need to get bailed out if it goes on like that.

So go machinists!

mc32
Maybe in this contract they both can have provisions in for poor workmanship and poor engineering decisions. Both for the shop floor as well as the management.

You ship defects, you get salary or bonus deductions and vestments pulled.

AndrewKemendo
In my mind, this is an unalloyed good

The practice alone of organizing labor power against owners, irrespective of the demands, given the existing state of the world, is what is needed to show Class solidarity.

Simply showing class solidarity in order to kick off other strikes is valuable in and of itself.

Y’all really have to understand a general strike is coming.

A general strike means the labor class (you most likely), which is the group of people who do not primarily gain their income from passive investments, and are reliant on contracts that they don’t create or control which provide them very little control over their economic future, stop working in order to put extreme pressure on the group of people who do control those contracts and who do control capital.

Such a system is foundationally unethical, and should be Deconstructed as rapidly as possible with the expropriation of all that capital to the rightful owners: the people actually producing the value, and done in a way that’s not under duress, such that you do not have to take whatever dog shit contract is put in front of you

DevX101
Defeat for the company or defeat for shareholders? These things are not the same.
underseacables
Boeing has been on a deathwatch for years now. I predict before the year is out. We will see something about a bankruptcy filing.
cchance
Good! Fuck boeing the company/executives, the merger with McDonnell Douglas totally fucked that company!

Profits over safety and performance fucked boeing over

arcastroe
> [...] voted in favor of the strike, some 96 percent — far more than the two-thirds needed to launch the work stoppage.

> The Biden administration was monitoring the situation; acting Labor Secretary Julie Su has been in contact with both sides.

If it's important enough for the whitehouse to get involved, then the union members have incredible leverage. It's telling that 96% voted against the deal. They know they can get a better one.

toomuchtodo
Boeing spent $43B on stock buybacks between 2013 and 2019 while paying their CEO ~$30M/year.

> To support its share price, the company under McNerney poured billions into stock buybacks instead of investing profits into the kind of research and development needed to stay competitive. McNerney decided not to spend billions of dollars building a new plane to replace the 737. Instead, Boeing tweaked and updated the existing model and called it the 737 Max, outfitting it with larger, more efficient engines for increased economy. Compensating for the resulting instability was a secretive automated system called MCAS that would adjust the plane’s pitch without input from the pilot.

> McNerney also fought to deeply cut costs. On his watch, the company opened its first non-unionized aircraft production line and initiated a program called “Partnering for Success” that pushed suppliers to cut their prices by 15 percent or more. Many feared that squeezing suppliers would harm the quality of their components, but McNerney was determined to recoup the cost of the 787’s development; if the subcontractors complained, they could find their work taken away from them, as happened to landing-gear-maker United Technologies Aerospace Systems.

> McNerney retired in 2015, handpicking his successor, president and COO Dennis Muilenburg. Over the next three years, Boeing’s stock price more than doubled as it sold new planes the world over. (As Bloomberg News reported, Muilenberg and McNerney “had personal reasons to emphasize productivity and cost-cutting” because their compensation was tied to share performance. Together they took $209 million in total pay over seven years.)

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/boeing-planes-proble...

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mlindner
They're voting to strike right as the new CEO gets in? That's kind of the worst time possible to improve the situation at Boeing. All you're doing is creating an antagonistic environment with your boss. So dumb.
honeybadger1
Trying not to see it black and white because I do support unions to a point but it is hard not to think negative things about a union being pushy at a place like Boeing. I know one engineer there and she was incredibly bright. I'm hoping for the best outcome so they win and everyone in the USA wins because a company like Boeing nose diving is bad for everyone.
wtcactus
Unlike the idea I’ve initially got from reading some of the comments here, the workers aren’t striking for long overdue measures that will save the company and get engineers back in charge of Boeing.

They are striking to get the biggest share possible of the pie before Boeing completely crumbles down. Reading the news, there isn’t a single demand from the workers that’s about trying to get the company back on its feet.

forrestthewoods
It should be illegal* to post articles about strikes without including details on current deal, current offer, and union demands. All these pieces try to influence your opinion without providing any details! Maybe the union demands are reasonable, or maybe they're not. Give me specifics please!

*obvious hyperbole